National Popular Vote vs. Electoral College - You decide!

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National Popular Vote vs. Electoral College - You decide!

Time: June 23, 2011 from 7pm to 9pm
Location: SChoolcraft College Auditorium
Street: 18600 Haggerty Road
City/Town: Livonia, MI 48152
Event Type: debate
Organized By: Sharon Lollio
Latest Activity: Sep 14, 2018

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Please make plans to attend this interesting and informative debate between how our nation should determine the presidency.

Our presenters are:  Pat Rosenstiel who is "for" and Rick Jarosz who is "against".

The National Popular Vote proposal is coming our way. It has gained traction in some states already.

Want to know more?  Want "to know" period?  Then come on out and get educated.

This is what our TEA Party is all about - providing voters the neccessary information to be in the know on all important topics.

Come Rattle With Us!

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Comment by Joseph M Lenard (JLenardDetroit) on September 14, 2018 at 5:58am

We need Electoral College Reform, but the exact opposite from the sham is attempting to be perpetrated via NPV Compact. The Founders intended the EC to be parts of the protections and checks and balances. Preventing the major Urban Centers and very few largely populated States from dictating to the MAJORITY OF THE US' LAND MASS! There are only a couple of States that still follow the purpose and intent of the Founders within their States - in assigning EC Delegates based upon CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT Voting (over, Winner take all, State-wide Popular Vote). Each CD should get it's EC Vote based upon it's own Vote Totals for POTUS in order to protect from that TYRANNY OF THE HIGHLY POPULATED URBAN CENTERS the Founders were protecting us against!!! The two additional EC Votes, based upon USSenatoral Represenatives/Representation, could/should (as those are Statewide Representatives) be the only ones dictated by State-wide Popular Vote Total. Call your Representatives, tell them YES WE WANT REFORM but the RIGHT REFORM the Reform that takes us back to proper Representation and intent the Founders originally gave us!

Comment by patriotm1 on November 2, 2011 at 2:57pm
Is there definitive information as to who is actually funding this movement and the actual success and specific state-by-state tactics used/planned?
Comment by Joseph M Lenard (JLenardDetroit) on October 29, 2011 at 1:08pm
UPDATE: courtesy TPPWOMi:
Tea Party Patriots of West Oakland County
Dear Michigan Patriots,
There is a "Presentations and testimony" regarding
the National Popular Vote in the Redistricting and Elections Committee in
Lansing on November 1st.

In a nutshell the National Popular Vote

NPV is a political scheme cooked up originally by
Liberals who were irate over Gore losing to Bush.

Although it does not replace the Electoral College exactly it circumvents it

by a compact that states enter into that decides the Presidential election by
the “popular vote” of those states. Only if enough states have
joined to ensure that the result will be to hand the presidency to
the popular-vote “winner.” It’s clever because it avoids the need
for a constitutional amendment, which requires a two-thirds vote in
Congress and approval of 38 (3 of 4) state egislatures. Further,
legislatures COULD vote their state out of the Compact
AFTER the election! The ensuing chaos would make

So even though there has been no bill introduced in the
House (Rep. Matt Lori was tapped) The House Committee has scheduled
"Presentations and testimony" regarding National Popular Vote" in the
Redistricting and Elections Committee.

Why? Because there is big money behind the NPV movement in order to
get states to enter into the Compact to achieve a
controlling majority of the Electoral College (currently 270 of
the total 538 electoral votes.) And that includes

Having "Presentations and testimony" now can speed up a vote
when a bill is introduced!

It is imperative that this be stopped in
Date: 11/1/2011
Time: 9:00 AM
Meeting: Standing Committee Meeting
Redistricting and Elections
Chair: Representative Pete Lund
Location: 521 House Office Building,


Joan Fabiano

Grassroots in Michigan

"A fondness for power is
implanted, in most men, and it is natural
to abuse it, when acquired."
--Alexander Hamilton,
The Farmer Refuted, 1775

A link to a Goggle map of location of downtown area :

A map of Public Parking (PP) is located below

Please e-mail me at IF YOU PLAN ON ATTENDING


Showing up at a Committee Meeting is ALWAYS preferable
and has the highest impact on a bill making it out of Committee or dying however
this is a good way for your voice to be heard
All you have to do is:

Mary Lou Terrien, at

Subject: NPV

2. Address e-mail to “Redistricting and Elections
Committee Members”

Tell the Committee Members you are against a National
Popular Vote Compact in Michigan. It can be
as simple as that or you can give a longer reason(s)

SHOULD include Name, address, County, City, e-mail

3. Ask the clerk to enter your e-mail into the record.
He will give each member of the Committee a copy of your e-mail

Thank you for all you do for Michigan and our
Comment by Joseph M Lenard (JLenardDetroit) on July 1, 2011 at 12:50am

The "Winner Take All" Electoral Votes is a different issue and completely the purvue of each and every State to decide! They can Winner-Take-All or any portion they so desire by matter of State Legislation (or State Constitution, if it were addressed within). Tell you what, the thought is great until YOUR CANDIDATE would win the POTUS post had you NOT deluted (split) your Delegates! Remember, a blade can cut the holder if he/she is careless. You assume Michigan will continue to go Blue for POTUS Elections.
see related/cross-referenced: Exporting/Expanding BLUEism discussion.

Comment by Tim Reno on June 24, 2011 at 12:00pm

I talked to Kent Peterson this morning & he sounded more confused about the whole issue after attending last night. Now I'm glad I didn't go.

I still don't like the fact that just because a candidate "wins" a state, they get all the electoral votes. I think it should be weighed even down to a decimal point or two. Illinois is a good example. The whole state goes the way Chicago goes. My son said it was a waste of his time to go vote. Now he lives in Iowa and it's the same way. 

We need some HONEST people in office who will do the RIGHT thing instead of what will get them elected the next time.

Comment by Tim Reno on June 23, 2011 at 3:50pm
Kind of short notice. Hope to catch the next one!
Comment by Joseph M Lenard (JLenardDetroit) on June 22, 2011 at 4:59pm

To add to my previous (somewhat incoherent, as I had too many thoughts running through my brain and did none of them justice) post - Those that believe in American Exceptionalism and that the U.S. is the greatest, as Free, government desinged on the face of the planet know - we want to remain, as Founded, a Constitutional Republic and not a MOBocracy (read Coulters latest "Demonic"). The 17th Amendment harmed that/those principles and purposes of/for 'protections' against Mob (pure Democratic) rule and "Popular Vote" election of the President will completely eliminate the little remaining protections of smaller [rural/population] States.


CA (you may, or may not, have heard on the news lately)  is dreaming up ignoring the Constitution and alloting their Electoral Delegates based on National Popular Vote -- which they will quickly change their tune if the Republican Candidate gets the most votes and would switch what would (of late always) be going to the Democrat Presidential candidate based on Popular vote within CA (Mob rule of their urban centers over the rest of their State, which is what the Popular Vote crowd wants to impose upon ALL States).


--- regards, JLenardDetroit

Comment by Joseph M Lenard (JLenardDetroit) on June 22, 2011 at 3:57pm
Some people never learn from history (read: mistakes). The 17th Amendment portends the future folly of the Popular Vote movement, but then again many of them are Progressives purposefully looking to "transform America" to Socialist Europe. Those of us who understand the notion and import of States' Rights have only the 17th Amendment (which should be repealed) removed the Key States protection and moving away from the Electoral College (in even any minor modification) will completely destroy the protections of the smaller [population/rural] States. For more on 17th Amendment search "redstate" + "17th Amendment" (and you can add "JLenardDetroit", if you want to see my specific comments regarding).
Comment by patriotm1 on June 19, 2011 at 9:30pm

Will be out of town or would attend.  This is a critically important topic.

States rights are the last line of defense against big government and an activist judiciary.


Popular vote is mob rule achievable through controlling a few large cities in any state.  Outstate (non-city) voting proportionality currently protected by the electoral college will be lost if popular vote rules.

The holy grail of those wanting control is to eliminate the electoral college and replace it with popular vote.  Political machinery, biased media, etc., could be easily used to foment or sway popular vote elections.


This topic is a no-brainer -- fight to keep the electoral college and the Tea Parties can help.

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